... and I mean that literally.
I was born in 1964, so I can faintly remember Latin and Greek used frequently in the liturgy (although never for the readings, homily, or eucharistic prayer). I remember that catechesis used to be much more direct and concrete, particularly concerning matters of sin and punishment. However, that's about the extent of my memories of "traditional" Catholicism. While both of my parents grew up in the 40s and 50s and attended Catholic schools through high school and undergraduate studies, they both seemed to gravitate toward the more charismatic expressions of Catholicism in the 70s. (Nonetheless, I don't recall seeing anything even in my adolescence remotely like what goes on today.)
What I've noticed when I engage people from my parents' era and a bit later is a bizarre distortion of the teachings of the Church. What I mean is that I can see the structure or formulation of certain doctrines or disciplines with absolutely no understanding of the intent or theology behind the doctrines. Let's use a most obvious example, abstention from meat on Friday.
From what I hear of it, eating meat on Friday was a mortal sin. Now, you don't need to explain that Friday abstinence was a penitential discipline and that the rules pertaining to abstinence changed. I understanding that, and personally, my wife and I adhere to the Friday abstinence because we believe it helps us in our spiritual lives. What seems to be completely lacking from the claim that "eating meat on Friday was a sin" was the reasoning. There was nothing beyond the rule: no mention of what constitutes a mortal sin, no mention of the necessity of conforming to Church law, no discussion of obedience to authority—essentially no explanation of the sinful aspects of the act, the "whatness" of the sin incurred
Once after I had begun my journey back to the faith, I had a discussion with an Eastern Orthodox fellow who had grown up attending Catholic schools. What I found fascinating were all the various "doctrines" he had been taught that he found in conflict with his own faith. With only a few exceptions, the doctrine his church taught lined up almost perfectly with current formulations of Catholic dogmas (with the exception of their doctrines on contraception and Purgatory).
Occasionally, my dad will come out with some claims that simply make me go, "WHAAAATT?"
Clearly, Catholics from my parents' era were responding to something, and clearly what they remember from their upbringing was not always positive and often not doctrinally sound (or was, at very least, theologically shallow).
So what was it, aside from the liturgy and all of the "below the waist" stuff, that people (or maybe, more accurately, progressives) from this era were reacting against? What doctrinal formulations were they actually getting, and how do those formulations differ from current, orthodox understanding? Do they actually differ?
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I'm not a pre-VatII Catholic, but I can certainly understand the reasoning that accepts with the "religious submission of will" (Lumen Gentium) that "eating meat on Fridays is a mortal sin" simply because "the Church says so."
You see, that's the problem. It's a narrowing of the chain of reasoning that eliminates everything between Mortal sin and "Church says so." When the middle is left out, the connection between the two acts is lost; hence, the meaning of the act becomes meaningless.
It starts with...
1. The law of the Church is that Fridays are a day of penance.
2. The selected form of penance is (was) abstinence from meat.
3. Disobeying the law of the Church is a mortal sin.
4. Not abstaining on a day of penance is an act of disobedience.
5. Not abstaining is a mortal sin.
It's the act of disobedience that gets lost, and that's where the whole act takes its sinful character. Beyond that, many people simply didn't understand that this was an act of penance. They just though it was a rule, and that was that. They didn't understand the notion of offering our suffering or sense of deprivation to Christ or even what good that would do.
Now, I know that this doesn't mean ALL pre-Vatican II Catholics were ignorant of these notions. However, my sense is that such was the case for many Catholics and that true catechesis was lacking long before Vatican II. It simply manifested itself in a rigid system of seemingly nonsensical rules.
It's the superficiality of the catechesis in many cases that led to the discontent. "Because I said so" works when people are young children, but eventually they need something more substantial.
It's the superficiality of the catechesis in many cases that led to the discontent. "Because I said so" works when people are young children, but eventually they need something more substantial.
Don't you think that's one of the problems Vatican II set out to remedy? The Council taught that the faithful must be informed about the Catholic faith, and that the Church's teachings must therefore be made accessible to them, by all available means. True, the Council was followed by wholesale violations of this and others of its teachings; but that, I think, is (a) not the fault of the Council, and (b) turning around.
(Not that we don't still have a looooooong way to go.)
Yes! That's precisely what I'm trying to get at.I guess I'm trying to find where these deficiencies existed to better address them. Those in our generation need to know what the dogmas of the faith are. Those from before our generation often need to know what the dogmas mean.
I just finished reading Frank Sheed's The Church and I which he wrote in 1974 looking back over his work with the Catholic Evidence Guild and Sheet & Ward publishing house over the last fifty years from the Catholic intellectual revival through the aftermath of Vatican II.
He talks a lot about this kind of shallow, very memorization heavy catachesis, which he definately believes was prevalent before the council, and blames (in part) for the chaos afterwards.
Hello, i am a pre vatican II Catholic, and I'm not one to answer any great questions, but I do have a book you might find interesting, I'm not sure where you could find one, i got it from my bishop, but it's called " A Manual of Religion.... My Catholic Faith... A catechism in pictures." It's a huge book with just about everything you would want to know, It's very helpful in explaining everything, keep in mind it's pre vatican II counsel so it's different if your used to post vatican II counsel, but anyways, the author is Most Reverend Louis LaRavoire Morrow, D.D. Bishop of Krishnagar.
It is the 3rd edition The ISBN Number : 978-0-9639032-6-6
I'm sure you could order one from:
SARTO HOUSE
Po. box 270611
Kansas City, MO 64127-0611
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